Tyler and Brannon Patrick are licensed therapists with 20+ years each in addiction and trauma. Their position: a man can talk for an hour a week for a decade and nothing shifts until he has what they call an emotionally corrective experience.
Jon and Will get into the masculine wound, why addiction is the symptom and not the problem, the difference between sobriety and recovery, and how faith can heal shame or deepen it.
IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN:
1. What an emotionally corrective experience is, and why insight on its own does not change behaviour
2. Where the masculine wound comes from, the question underneath it, and the three ways it shows up in a grown man — moving away, overcompensating, and getting big
3. Why addiction is the fruit of the tree rather than the root, and what sits at the trunk and the roots instead
4. The difference between sobriety and recovery — and why counting days can quietly reinforce the shame it is meant to solve
5. Where the real work starts for a couple after trust has broken, what the betrayed partner needs first, and how to tell good help from bad help
CONNECT WITH TYLER & BRANNON PATRICK
Therapy Brothers podcast (live call-in, Mondays and Wednesdays): https://www.therapybrothers.org
Therapy Brothers on YouTube: https://youtube.com/@therapy.brothers
Rising Son — their men’s program and retreats: https://risingson.org
Brannon Patrick, LCSW — CSAT, IFS / EMDR / ART trained; founder of Traverse Family Therapy: https://brannonpatrick.com
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(00:00) - Why Talk Therapy Isn't Enough
(00:55) - What an Emotionally Corrective Experience Really Is
(03:07) - Meet Tyler and Brannon Patrick
(04:01) - One Breath to Ground Us
(04:57) - The Masculine Wound: Do I Measure Up?
(09:41) - How the Wound Shows Up in a Grown Man
(11:58) - Three Ways the Wound Hides: Move Away, Overcompensate, Get Big
(14:37) - Why Talking About the Pain Often Fails
(15:10) - Tyler's Turning Point
(19:17) - The Cave You Fear to Enter
(25:10) - What Breathwork Actually Feels Like
(29:42) - Why Men Heal Together
(31:26) - Common Humanity and Two Minutes of Eye Gazing
(33:48) - Masculinity Bestows Masculinity
(35:46) - After Trust Breaks: Where the Real Work Starts
(39:26) - The Fear Cycle and the Betrayed Partner
(42:02) - Good Help vs. Bad Help
(44:56) - The Symptom, Not the Problem: The Tree
(47:59) - Sobriety vs. Recovery
(50:28) - When Counting Days Feeds the Shame
(52:14) - Mindfulness and the Space Between Stimulus and Response
(54:04) - How Faith Can Heal Shame or Deepen It
(01:01:39) - Making Room to Wrestle With Faith
(01:03:27) - Can Mindfulness and Faith Work Together?
(01:07:02) - One Thing You Can Do This Week
(01:08:46) - You're More Loyal to That Lie
(01:09:09) - Where to Find Tyler and Brannon
